93. NIKKI REED: 20 years of Twilight and leaving Hollywood behind (LiteraryHype Live)

We could call this LiteraryHype Podcast live from FanX Salt Lake City. I had the chance to be Nikki Reed's conversation partner and moderator for her spotlight panel in September 2025. We talked all about the 20th anniversary of Stephenie Meyer publishing Twilight, her perspective on Rosalie Hale, and more of her career in and out of Hollywood.

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Speaker 1
So give it up for Nikki.

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Speaker 2
Be in Salt Lake. No. Now, I said I love. I love you, John.

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Speaker 2
And I'm here to say Austin, but I'm here. Ben.

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Speaker 1
What's your favorite place to visit around this Salt Lake area? Oh, I'm.

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Speaker 2
So I don't go out very much to see this. Give me some recommendations. But I mostly do quirky things around these parts, so I've got some horse trainers I work with, and, yeah, I spend a lot of time here for that.

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Speaker 1
What is your favorite very horse riding?

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Speaker 2
Oh, well, we could spend the whole hour talking.

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Speaker 1
You guys are cool with that. We don't have anyone.

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Speaker 3
Else, the right person inside to scoop on everything.

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Speaker 2
I mean, not to get to like Dave at 1:00 in the afternoon, but it's the most rewarding dynamic is to have a relationship like that with an animal and say It's really special. It's a meditation.

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Speaker 1
This works. It is so peaceful to go right of course, especially when you're away from everybody, away from everything. And your distance with the horse is really useful and really fun. So if you have done much, I think you should check out there.

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Speaker 2
You know, I hear that there's puppies today. I seen the puppies. Now there's there are some downstairs and there's told me.

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Speaker 1
That it's for the celebrities, but it's only for celebrities. Oh.

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Speaker 2
Well, that's.

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Speaker 1
You know, they're not.

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Speaker 2
Actually a state other stuff, but I'll bring it up here for.

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Speaker 1
Work, obviously. Is there any Twilight fans in the room? What kind of a movie studio The Tyrant is coming up on a very big milestone.

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Speaker 2
You just told me that.

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Speaker 1
20 years ago, October Fit fits like a week and a half. It will be 20 years old. I was not old enough to believe that either. We were not old enough for this. I was old enough to say that I got.

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Speaker 2
Very young for.

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Speaker 1
Very young. We're very we're very, very young. What's it like for you to be part of your franchise that is now 20 years later and still people are talking about it, still watching it, still reading it. Well.

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Speaker 2
The power of these books lives so far beyond, you know, we did just. Chris. That's right. It's it's who live with you forever. I'm going to get something to it is so special to see something that doesn't really have like a date or a time stamp. You know, they're they're very timeless. Not only that, by the way, I did a film called 13, which I did see.

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Speaker 3
A long time ago. And I still have people.

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Speaker 2
Come out to talk about the impact that that aspect had on their upbringing. And I'm like, wow, it really does stay with me. So I think it's incredible. I mean, 20 years, I have no idea how long it will continue to go on or evolve. I've heard whispers of like, maybe Stephanie been working on something else. I don't know.

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Speaker 2
I mean, you guys probably know more than I do, to be honest with you, but it might just keep going.

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Speaker 1
I mean, Stephanie, within the last week or so. Yeah. Have an interview coming out that she said she does have an alliance from many other folks in the Twilight world.

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Speaker 2
It's very young. Is that everyone on the road? It's just very fast. Give me the scoop.

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Speaker 1
Versus like, would you guys want to see explored? Oh, well.

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Speaker 2
There was so much we didn't get to explore in the films that does live in the books. But I think you know, just seeing her backstory in the third film, like we got to see was really special because I think it humanized her in a way that I think she really deserves sorry. There's a whole story here. So I love that character, you know, and I think she really deserve to have that part of her story told and it was also interesting, by the way, to see the evolution of the as the books the books were read and the films came out as they did, the compassion that people felt for Rosalie once they understood

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Speaker 2
her story changed the dynamic even within their fandom in a way that was like really tangible, you know, just like my the conversations that I would have with people about Rose, it was very black and white in the beginning. And then there was a whole gray area that was opened up as you got to know who she was.

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Speaker 2
So I would love to see her as a mom. I'd love to see her relationship with her. Amazing but probably all the same things you guys want to see.

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Speaker 1
There's one thing that I saw a lot of people wanting to see that I love, and it's frozen in the college years.

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Speaker 3
Let's start with Kelly. We got a.

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Speaker 1
Lot to say about that. You know, we got this incredible and like really entertaining. You know, I say I.

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Speaker 2
Agree more of them would be nice. Yes. They were very cute in the books and we didn't get to do a lot of that. That's exactly right. Know there's only so much in my.

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Speaker 1
Life and so much gets lost with. Did you read the books before you felt.

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Speaker 2
I am. Let's see, let's give an honest answer. I read the first book before we shot the first film. And then during the filming of Twilight, I read New Moon, and it says that I don't think Breaking Dawn was out. And am I wrong about that? It's like I.

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Speaker 1
Didn't come out.

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Speaker 3
That's correct. Right? Because I remember reading that it was like a later know.

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Speaker 1
17 years ago I was a fan.

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Speaker 2
Like a genuine fan of the books and of the characters. And I remember actually on set, we were shooting Twilight and I'd heard your username right. So many leads. Yeah. So this is right. So I remember something Twilight and reading The Moon and feeling so just like any other, you know, person reading the book feeling so great that Edward had disappeared in that time.

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Speaker 2
And then that was the moment that I realized, oh, I see, I get like, I get that these books are I get why they're so special. I get why people, you know, are living and breathing the storylines of these characters because I truly was hooked. I was a fan you know.

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Speaker 1
Did that help your portrayal of a sort of not nearly all of the things that were going to happen, learn about her and toward the end, to see you starting out with her being very black and white, and then you're learning about her as you're portraying her as well.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, I think the interesting thing about trying to play a character that had decades and decades of wisdom when I was only 19, so now I look back and realize there's so much I could have done differently had I had the wisdom and perspective that only comes with time on this planet. You know, so yeah, I yes, there are things that I loved about Rose that I wish I could have shown in a more like her tenderness, like she's actually a very tender person.

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Speaker 2
But a lot of that was hardened and covered, and my experience which, you know, you get to my age and you understand that, you know, you understand why, you know, life and life experiences give all these layers to a human being. But anyway, you know, I look back and think she would have been nice to look 20 like, you know, Manhattan is due do that age would have the wisdom of time under my belt to play that.

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Speaker 1
Character that Rose has been through so much and the characters that she played in projects prior to her and also have been through a lot of trauma did those.

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Speaker 2
Characters. Oh yes yeah I definitely don't pick like characters do I very complex.

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Speaker 1
Music.

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Speaker 2
You notice what music oh boy those curves you've seen.

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Speaker 1
The things they're kind of funny to me. I've done a ten.

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Speaker 2
Year American setting, remember? I'm you know, always been drawn to really complex characters. I think I need to find it. I don't know challenging, but interesting.

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Speaker 2
You know what's funny is that when I would meet or interact with anyone, you know, at different events or Twilight over the years, people would say things to me that I did that didn't really resonate until I got it from my body. Like, they would go, Oh, my gosh, you smile. You know, and you forget that. Like, if the character doesn't smile, people don't think you smile because you're so deeply, deeply associated with the characters.

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Speaker 2
That you play. And well, that's beautiful. And I guess in some ways, you know, that's your hope, right? As as an actor to portray that in a very realistic way. It's also very interesting to see the inability to, like, disassociate you're from that character. And so, you know, if I could go back and maybe do things differently, maybe Alison, you know, after that, I should have considered things yeah.

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Speaker 2
I definitely gravitate towards complex characters.

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Speaker 1
I mean, at least it's a fantastic job for you from demographics. Where do you like to do it? I guess people were selling This Is You.

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Speaker 2
Oh, and he I'm sure terrible. But I haven't seen the double quote. We are not that out there because I don't ever think that I have it in the works. Right now.

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Speaker 1
There's so much TV in the business now.

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Speaker 2
That's one of the best machines. I think it's probably true. I would love it. I just don't at the time.

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Speaker 1
This is last year, very busy.

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Speaker 2
I haven't watched TV in like probably like two decades. I think it's been a great read but whatever he had to do and we're just saying, I totally believe because it is really hard to to be you know, you're sort of out of there going like, yeah, OK, you.

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Speaker 1
My.

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Speaker 2
That's.

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Speaker 1
What your self is reflected, most of us.

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Speaker 2
You know, that's a good question to She is fiercely, fiercely loyal and protective of the things that feel most sacred to her. And I think that is an area that I very.

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Speaker 1
Much relate to. One beautiful thing from Twilight is that you guys are still friends, still that's it. Yeah, that was good.

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Speaker 2
Love them. They do a lot of conventions together, so they get to spend a lot of time with each other. And I I'm so happy about this. Last year I've been able to be in that circle. They could send me videos and I would, but it's been so nice to actually be like in the same space together. I love them all so much.

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Speaker 1
What's it like for you to have these relationships that have lasted almost two decades now and still be that close with your housemates? Ooh.

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Speaker 2
Well, we've had, you know, moments where, like, everyone's gone off and done things and, you know, maybe we haven't spoken for months and months at a time or six months or something like that. But what's amazing is that when you grow up with people and have these experiences that are, you know, these are things, life experiences, it's like, Oh, sorry, these are, these are really big moments.

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Speaker 2
Life and it bonds you, you know? So I think we have that in a way that's like, it's irreplaceable. But isn't it cool that we all have actually gone through different chapters, but now sort of ended up in the same place, like challenges, you know, actions. I mean, you can't have two years, you know, it's so sweet to see.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 1
It's actually meant like I had to hang out with them in August in Chicago and watching them interact with fans is so cool watching them interact with each other like they're taking their next to each other and they're just like goofing off and photographing each other.

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Speaker 2
Really? Only with.

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Speaker 1
The boys. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. The illusion that you guys.

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Speaker 2
And Jackson have made your goofball.

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Speaker 1
Surgery looks so much fun, but to see how you guys are still interacting with each other and loving each other to laugh 15, 20 years later, it's so special. You don't often see that. So love to see that. Yeah, I heard you. Yeah, but Jackson was also about The O.C., which you are often.

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Speaker 2
Seen on now.

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Speaker 1
I was not true to that, you know, that's what I'm doing, he says. So it to be right.

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Speaker 2
I like that. That was quick.

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Speaker 1
But you should see.

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Speaker 2
What Wikipedia says. There's a bunch of things that are not rooted in reality at all.

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Speaker 1
Like, cool. But I also get into these trivia and seeing like and asking people like, is this is this really going to.

00:13:27:04 - 00:13:36:02
Speaker 2
Be no, no, no, no, no, maybe. But no. Yeah, yeah. If he was, gosh, who is great on it? That's like my favorite character.

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Speaker 1
So I did the show for them, but also with their team that you mentioned, the movie that you co-wrote with Kevin Harvick, who directed Twilight, and Sarah Clarke plays a friend's mom and then settles down. So Hollywood is such a small world. What's it like to still get to work with these people in different projects, in different capacities?

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Speaker 2
So Kathryn is really she does something that's very, very cool. She started Kathryn directed 13 and learns about Time and Twilight and she was a production designer first. So the job of a production designer is to go and create a world, right? They're designing sets. They're, they're building out space, quite literally, taking a room that's empty and making it come to life.

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Speaker 2
And I saw so much of that transpired into her ability as a director to take a character and see like it might not be the most obvious choice for a character. But she's so connected to that person and she sees how they can sort of march and mold. I'm not saying just like she can see that room morph and mold and become dancing so Peter and Kellan and Jack, we all laugh about the fact that, like, none of us could have looked further from our characters so.

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Speaker 2
Right. She picks she picks actors that she felt really embodied that and the essence of that character. But it didn't really matter what they looked like. And I think it's really awesome to see her work with the same people over and over again, like Sarah Clarke, who you're mentioning, who's a phenomenal actress and human. But to see her in both of those roles is very cool.

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Speaker 1
So do you guys have questions for Nikki? There is a microphone up here in the center, so you can line up, just stay low. If it's not your turn. So everybody else can still see. You see, feel free to line up and jump in there. If you have questions.

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Speaker 2
Don't be shy, but don't listen me like TV or movie trivia because.

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Speaker 1
I still have questions. So you don't come up here. I will just keep.

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Speaker 2
Talking her like my costar is that I.

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Speaker 1
Had a silent soundtrack. Yes. I mean, to me that was a.

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Speaker 2
Chapter of life that I. Yeah, I said music is a very cool, like, therapeutic outlet. And so it was nice to see that come full circle. She's saying that there is a song at the end of the last Twilight time. I think it's in the credits and it was just nice to like the book. And it was an experience of, you know, just having been a part of something for so long to see it kind of close in that way.

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Speaker 1
It's very cool. Hi. Hi. Hi, Cindy.

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Speaker 2
I'm just that. Yeah, hi. I was a fan since forever.

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Speaker 1
I watched 13 first before I watch Twilight.

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Speaker 2
Actually, you did? I guess YouTube was crazy back then, so I watched 30 on YouTube for free when I was literally 13, so I might have been too young to see that I got.

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Speaker 1
A.

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Speaker 2
Good time. Yeah, and now is a better time. But I did want to ask, when you were cast as Rosalie, did you take any other like, did you take essences of, like, other vampiric media and transferred it over to Rosalie?

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Speaker 1
Like what what was that like hearing?

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Speaker 3
So I spent a long time.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, I think we all had a couple of books and films that Katherine director for some sort of turned us on to Hey guys would be great. We all watch this. I mean, you seem like a new vampire or that, you know, just things, right? But I think what she was most focused on is this like a vampire cat that we did.

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Speaker 2
Has anyone have you heard this is real? Yeah. So we have choreographers, acrobat, butcher, this guy, crazy rituals. But she put us all in rooms with choreographers we had just met. So it's like a bunch of, you know, kind of strangers in a sense. Right. Hey, nice. We're bringing down Jackson, Disney, and you guys are all going to move like cats because cats and vampires look similar movements, very dramatic, like a different approach to what we were doing, right?

00:18:08:10 - 00:18:34:22
Speaker 2
And that was Katherine's. And we learn about it now that it was actually a very cool bunny experience, if nothing else. I can't actually tell you. Cat, you went missed Prince Bandar for the holidays. But we did things like that as a group that were really, really bonding and cool, like fun experiences. And every director had a different approach not only for our characters but what we should look like.

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Speaker 2
I'm sure you remember writing on four different ways over the course of time runs.

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Speaker 1
Through your friends the way.

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Speaker 2
I know, the way you guys remember, like what film you thought had the best ways. We all have thoughts on it, too. What do you think? I think the eclipse one is the best mixer sometimes. I was almost a brunet and had like apricot hair in one film. You're sort of at the mercy of like going with the flow and instead it's like, sure, this is, you know, this director is take on the characters and how they should dress and working in their break.

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Speaker 2
And you only have so much to say, but I know you do it, too. Yeah, it was it was a very individual like each film had its own individual experience. Instructor.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, that's awesome. Well, thank you. Thank you. It's nice to meet you.

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Speaker 2
You sounded like you. Yeah. So one of my favorite moments is in the first movie where Edward is bringing Bella over. Oh, and they're making a salad. Yeah, and never goes. Oh, Sherrie. And then Rosalie just, like, drinks the ball. How did that work? Like, the mechanics of. Yeah, how did that work? Diverged in my hands. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2
Thank you.

00:20:01:04 - 00:20:02:02
Speaker 2
I should have come prepared.

00:20:03:05 - 00:20:05:01
Speaker 1
You need to go green. Should come over.

00:20:05:09 - 00:20:33:12
Speaker 2
Yeah, because there's an inverse they're going to use. So they use, like, a special material but only for those scenes that they don't have, like, sticky stumbles you want available, and then you have like maybe one or two shots that are close to a brick wall that's already like pre scored is the word pre scored in a material that's not going to shatter my house and I have gloves on, you know?

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Speaker 2
Yes, I think I remember they were gloves. Yes, I had gloves. Because I remember it was sharp, actually. So that's what happens and that's all that question. How is your favorite Rosalie moments felt probably. Well, OK, I, I do have a lot of favorites for different reasons.

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Speaker 1
But it was this.

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Speaker 2
Very, very fun to film the race.

00:21:03:03 - 00:21:05:28
Speaker 3
Scene. There was more to that. I don't know if there's.

00:21:05:28 - 00:21:27:08
Speaker 2
DVD, like extra scenes things that have been attached where I haven't seen all of them fairly this, but we did some more than that. So if it's visible anywhere, I highly recommend to myself to to watch it. It's been three months together. Yeah. Love to borrow the DVD from my parents and really be here.

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Speaker 1
I did you do this exists because the school said we're looking for another two.

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Speaker 2
Sure. OK, we're not.

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Speaker 1
Going to change lunch.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
But there is a private symphony performance this weekend, Sunday night, I believe, where they're showing me how to play the score live. So I don't care. I just I don't care. Incidentally.

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Speaker 2
Oh, my gosh. Your mother. Yes. If you heard me at all, I know it just.

00:21:55:23 - 00:21:58:02
Speaker 1
Oh, yeah. They're doing a tour.

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Speaker 2
Of the United States.

00:22:00:23 - 00:22:04:28
Speaker 1
Welcome to a nighttime marathon in Los Angeles. I've just.

00:22:05:08 - 00:22:07:29
Speaker 2
Come oh, you exist anymore because I feel like everything's on a.

00:22:07:29 - 00:22:24:00
Speaker 1
Computer screen. Yes, we system and bookstores. So there's a display there on Netflix, and they're playing with a cat Netflix. All of a sudden, all these very small children are coming to the movies, and I'm like, what is going on? And I'm like, just focus on that. All of a sudden, at least their parents.

00:22:24:00 - 00:22:25:05
Speaker 2
Were watching when they first.

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Speaker 1
Started running like this. Pressure of twilight.

00:22:33:08 - 00:22:38:18
Speaker 2
Doesn't exist a moment like, I can't deny it. I just don't like it. This is how old I am. And here we are.

00:22:39:01 - 00:22:41:19
Speaker 1
That special edition coming out on Tuesday. So you say.

00:22:45:01 - 00:22:46:16
Speaker 2
Hey, I'm with you.

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Speaker 4
I'm really huge. So you work on the screen even more off the screen. And you're closer on sustainability.

00:22:54:05 - 00:22:55:02
Speaker 1
I think you represent.

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Speaker 4
Women in such a powerful way. I'm turning 26 this year. I'm just wondering what advice you have for Young 20 year, especially just through this time right now. How do you always I guess, start really early? No, I think you just do such a great job as an example towards women. So what advice would you give to your 20 something.

00:23:19:25 - 00:23:51:25
Speaker 2
Thank you for saying that. Yeah, that means a lot. Yeah. As most of you maybe know, I left that career a long a long time ago, know, almost ten years ago now, seven years ago, two pave a new path. Yeah, it was actually pretty scary to leave. The only thing that you've ever known your whole life, you know, I started working when I was 13, 14 years old because I, I wrote 13.

00:23:52:20 - 00:24:25:28
Speaker 2
And while that was not my intended part, I sort of fell into that path of being on screen or in front of the camera. And the truth is that's never been for me actually. Even sitting here right now, I'm being really honest is not for me because I prefer to be behind the camera and creating art and I believe this part of true people who feel like that is their form of art, you know, and it's all beautiful, great.

00:24:25:28 - 00:24:46:10
Speaker 2
Like art comes in many forms and careers come in, you know, many forms. But I felt so creatively, I think inspired and challenged just through like running and operating business and championing certain initiatives that felt that I felt really deeply about, like sustainability. You know, like ten years ago when I was talking about that, no one was talking about that.

00:24:46:10 - 00:24:54:22
Speaker 2
Yeah. And getting anyone to listen. It was like, oh, do you recycle is that what you're talking about? So now come on, deeper than that. Let's go there together.

00:24:56:22 - 00:25:05:01
Speaker 2
So thank you for saying that. I think the advice I should not ever I'm not really qualified to be an advice giver.

00:25:06:04 - 00:25:09:25
Speaker 1
Because we're still so dumb that you.

00:25:10:27 - 00:25:40:24
Speaker 2
Just wanted to what do it all, learn it all, be it all down make yourself smaller to fit into the space. Take up the space. With my businesses, I had to learn the hard way that no one is going to love whatever missionary, mom, whatever company I'm trying to build, whatever thing and passion that no one's going to feel the way I feel about that thing.

00:25:40:24 - 00:26:04:24
Speaker 2
So you have to love it with everything you've got, and you have to believe in yourself. Those who believe in you, you, it's you. And you have to learn every aspect of that business because no one's going to care about, you know, the accounting as much as you do bookkeeping, as much as you do the perfection of each image, if that's what you're putting out there, your you're line photography, for example, no one's going to care about all building the product.

00:26:04:24 - 00:26:29:12
Speaker 2
Just like I learned the backend of Shopify coding and building pages running QuickBooks. Like, I learned everything myself because I had to learn the hard way that if you rely on other people to do that, they're never going to do it. With the same level of passion that you are because it's your mission. So do it all, learn it all, take pride in and don't be afraid to start over.

00:26:29:13 - 00:26:51:08
Speaker 2
And like, I feel like sometimes, okay, not that I'm old and maybe I don't even know our old age. We're going to say like, I've lived like a couple of years on this planet. Now, and it's never too late to start over. I actually thought just the other day I wanted to ask her, which is kind of a funny thing, do you think you my age, but I've always been really, really passionate about law.

00:26:51:08 - 00:27:16:27
Speaker 2
And so I was like, why? Why couldn't I start that now? Like, where's the time for that? You know, and if I'm OK with working 17 hours a day because that's like a whole other story and, you know, come up for another time. But there's a real lack of balance there, for sure. But if I'm OK with like pushing myself into later and studying and staying up and, you know, doing all that and part of and wonder why limit myself to like where I am right now?

00:27:16:27 - 00:27:31:23
Speaker 2
So that would be the message for you as a woman. Like don't limit yourself. There's no such thing as a time line. Nothing. You're not too late to do anything or try something. You be fearless about it. People jump and see first, head first, whatever you want to call it, but learn it all and do it all and be at all.

00:27:32:07 - 00:27:32:22
Speaker 2
New York.

00:27:32:22 - 00:27:40:15
Speaker 3
And London. You will be amazing every and the.

00:27:40:15 - 00:28:05:08
Speaker 2
Longest answer ever. Get Hi, my name is Rachel. I was just wondering, did you ever have a moment where you realized that when you were making 13 that like, this is how I saw it and like, this is how I wanted it to look? Do you mean like in the finished product of the town was in like a moment where you realized this is exactly what I wanted it to be?

00:28:05:19 - 00:28:08:18
Speaker 3
Oh, no, no, no.

00:28:11:02 - 00:28:35:12
Speaker 2
I didn't know what I wanted it to be. So how that came about. So I was a kid, right? So it was a series of, like, journal entries and I grew up without the opportunity to the financial opportunity to, like, go to a private school or have, you know, tutors or anything like that. Right. I grew up with a mom who made $16,000 a year raising two kids in Los Angeles.

00:28:35:12 - 00:28:49:07
Speaker 2
Not anything that I had in the Education Department. Came through hard work, and writing was always the thing that I gravitated.

00:28:49:07 - 00:28:49:24
Speaker 1
Towards.

00:28:50:08 - 00:29:27:15
Speaker 2
And it led me to yes. 13 was a very positive unintended consequence, I guess every day. But prior to that, any programs I got into was through poetry. Writing and that. And so with 13, it's a series of like, you know, journal entries turned into a film by total accident in structure. Catherine Hardwick handed the final draft and said, We're going to do this and we're going to turn this into a script.

00:29:27:15 - 00:29:48:19
Speaker 2
And I sat down and six days we sat down together and wrote this film, but I didn't have a desire to make a film per se. Right I didn't grow up going to acting classes thinking that I was going to be an actress. And actually I heard told the story, but I was just a very excited eighth grader, excited to be given the chance to take out school to help other.

00:29:48:19 - 00:29:49:11
Speaker 1
Girls audition.

00:29:49:11 - 00:30:06:01
Speaker 2
For those roles. So I was like a Catholic, I mean, like an unofficial casting associate because it was hard for other girls to come in and read those lines with adults. So they brought me in to read with those girls. But the plan was not for me to be in the film. It was actually a last minute decision.

00:30:06:01 - 00:30:27:12
Speaker 2
And I got a call just a few weeks before saying, Hey, so, you know, we haven't found our Evie. Tracy was the character that was based on me and they said, We haven't got our interview. We think that it should maybe be you. And I was like, I'm going to think about that for a second. So that wasn't partizan.

00:30:28:06 - 00:30:49:11
Speaker 2
So I didn't have a vision for what it would be like, what it should look like. As you were thinking that it all was, I guess, some kind of like stars aligning and the some happened, but you can't recreate those moments, you know, like it had to be the exact time and place for that to happen. And it did.

00:30:49:11 - 00:31:14:24
Speaker 2
And I would never in a million years be able to do it again, not just because of the stars lining, but because of the just the consequences of writing something that's semi-autobiographical, what that does to your life, to your family, as you guys probably know, if you follow me on social media, I am fiercely protective of privacy and family and smart people.

00:31:15:04 - 00:31:43:11
Speaker 2
And I that a lot of that is largely due to what happens when you put yourself out there as young age and realize, you know, that minors like some minor, you know, shouldn't be subjected to that kind of visibility and scrutiny. And all that comes as a consequence of writing something that's very regrettable. So that's a very long winded way of saying, no, I did not have an idea of what it should look or feel like at the time.

00:31:43:11 - 00:31:52:16
Speaker 2
I think that song is so beautiful and so powerful and so impactful. And I could never, ever in a million years do it over again. But I'm glad that it happened tonight. It touched so many people.

00:31:53:20 - 00:31:54:04
Speaker 1
Thank you.

00:31:56:21 - 00:32:04:28
Speaker 3
I applaud her thank you.

00:32:06:07 - 00:32:13:22
Speaker 4
So we mentioned earlier that you wished you would have been able to explore different storylines in the Twilight world.

00:32:14:15 - 00:32:18:11
Speaker 1
And what the scene from The Hurricane to.

00:32:18:11 - 00:32:32:15
Speaker 4
Save My Life is. Of course, the vengeance that Rosemary takes against Roy's dedication. Do you think that if you believe that spawned out from there, do you think she was.

00:32:32:25 - 00:32:33:15
Speaker 1
What would have been her.

00:32:33:15 - 00:32:34:11
Speaker 2
Healing process?

00:32:35:00 - 00:32:38:28
Speaker 4
Do you think it's possible to get past that pain that so deep?

00:32:39:17 - 00:32:46:03
Speaker 2
How do you feel like that oh, my. That is a very heavy question, my friend.

00:32:49:06 - 00:32:56:18
Speaker 2
Lets you to read the how do you heal from that.

00:32:56:18 - 00:32:57:26
Speaker 3
Kind of thing? Well.

00:33:02:03 - 00:33:02:24
Speaker 2
I think she's.

00:33:02:29 - 00:33:03:19
Speaker 1
Crying.

00:33:05:02 - 00:33:37:07
Speaker 2
I think she's the one unabashedly done. Love is funny. I think she's unabashedly herself. And I think that part of healing from which, you know, pain in general, that kind of pain, I can't mess down relate to, but I had to put myself in her shoes quite a bit. Right. But I think healing from that requires connection being able to share your story, which she did and she does quite well, which is great.

00:33:40:18 - 00:34:04:26
Speaker 2
She obviously had some anger to work through her part of it. But I think with Rose, I don't know. Am I wrong to say that I think she's she's doing a pretty good job of like working through some of that pain maybe or maybe we were just witnessing it in the moment. That's a really beautiful thing to have the gift of, like witnessing something and processing that moment and how they deal with it.

00:34:04:26 - 00:34:16:22
Speaker 2
But also, there are things that come in externally that can be very human. Like Renesmee was very healing for her. You know, gosh, I do really love this. It's I should go back.

00:34:20:16 - 00:34:23:22
Speaker 3
On that character to bring out all these.

00:34:23:22 - 00:34:30:17
Speaker 2
Things that I don't think about that are like, yeah, really beautiful characters. People make these fantastic questions.

00:34:33:16 - 00:34:42:02
Speaker 3
And you see she's like this terrific yes.

00:34:42:22 - 00:34:54:15
Speaker 2
And I have her because I am going to over you look at things. My name is actually came out and I just had a couple questions. I know you and Ian are just like the vampire.

00:34:54:15 - 00:34:59:29
Speaker 3
Power couple after I'm curious what it's.

00:34:59:29 - 00:35:06:24
Speaker 2
Like, you know, both being vampires and being in the film industry or families like and you know, did you guys meet.

00:35:06:24 - 00:35:11:05
Speaker 4
Because you guys were both vampires and that's how you write it and are you.

00:35:11:05 - 00:35:13:01
Speaker 2
Guys going to make your kids like, you know, we're.

00:35:13:01 - 00:35:24:08
Speaker 3
Going to go in there and so that's a funny thing.

00:35:24:09 - 00:35:33:25
Speaker 2
I don't know, maybe there's like a you know, there's like funny or die scenes that you don't get to because obviously knows you have friends and family you have a moment there.

00:35:34:12 - 00:35:36:04
Speaker 4
I totally think you guys need to make a pep.

00:35:36:04 - 00:35:43:15
Speaker 2
Talk or something like like you're a vampire. And I tried doing that and tick talk and I just I.

00:35:43:17 - 00:35:49:09
Speaker 3
It's just I am not really your fan, OK? I'm like a.

00:35:49:09 - 00:36:14:11
Speaker 2
Long form kind of gal, you know? Yeah. Like you if you want to read it, like, oh, goggles, what are you doing? Don't come this like you know? Sorry about that. I'm pretty boring for a lot of people that I'm writing. So we met for philanthropy's. Oh, yeah. And many, many years we met as friends through philanthropy. Gosh.

00:36:18:09 - 00:36:19:09
Speaker 3
I don't even know.

00:36:21:01 - 00:36:39:15
Speaker 2
Probably five or more years before Twilight was even in that picture. You know, this happens a lot in small industries where people like if there's sort of like parallel things happening with work. So you know, we were I guess was when I the second like a year or two.

00:36:39:15 - 00:36:41:17
Speaker 1
That was slightly after. Yeah.

00:36:41:28 - 00:36:44:09
Speaker 2
I'm really not a trivia as we talked about.

00:36:44:19 - 00:36:52:25
Speaker 3
You know, I want to one time this one guy now we know he's over there. So yeah, I think I think it was after.

00:36:52:25 - 00:37:01:28
Speaker 2
And there was just a whole example movement happening, you know, like in the zeitgeist. Yeah. Like books were coming out and maybe it's still going on.

00:37:02:02 - 00:37:02:19
Speaker 1
It's back like.

00:37:02:19 - 00:37:27:03
Speaker 2
Another is another wave of it. Maybe I was a time where there were a lot of vampire things happening. So it's all just sheer coincidence that here we met through philanthropy because we had similar philanthropic interests. And for me it was a lot of the environment and animal spirits. And I think for him, similar, maybe more environment, less animals.

00:37:27:03 - 00:37:49:17
Speaker 2
But yeah, they were just like, you know, cool crossover moments. And now you know, a friend of ours had us talk about philanthropy, some friends for a long time. I just started saying like, do you think your kids will ever go into a film industry and do, like, vampire things? You know, keep that in the family? I don't talk about my kids at all.

00:37:49:17 - 00:38:00:26
Speaker 2
I'm sorry. You know, it's just it's like that's just a boundary that I think you guys all saw, honestly. Just things are awesome right now all the time. I just put the things.

00:38:00:26 - 00:38:06:18
Speaker 3
In my last year.

00:38:06:27 - 00:38:24:03
Speaker 2
I'm so grateful you're here. Thank you for being here. You're very nervous. Don't be nervous. Although you have be because I get nervous. The public speaking to me, giving a speech. It's it's not my it's not my forte. So I. I like to work versus times when you're.

00:38:24:05 - 00:38:24:28
Speaker 1
About to.

00:38:24:28 - 00:38:31:04
Speaker 2
Raise a family. I have five kids, very small, and then I decided to go back into the workforce. Let's go out.

00:38:31:14 - 00:38:31:19
Speaker 1
To the.

00:38:31:19 - 00:38:41:26
Speaker 2
Stars therapist. But I could help people. I was massage therapists, so I can help later because you need more connection in the world today. We need more than just healthy.

00:38:42:08 - 00:38:44:06
Speaker 1
Natural touch, and it's just.

00:38:44:06 - 00:38:49:23
Speaker 2
Such a great thing that people need and I just am so inspired by you as a woman.

00:38:49:23 - 00:38:51:04
Speaker 1
Empowering women with their.

00:38:51:04 - 00:39:05:15
Speaker 2
Own life, goals and inspiration in this small business. Like, I want to go into business with myself and I'm just really impressed with your lifestyle and thought and love in your small business here. And I just really I'm interested in just like how that.

00:39:05:16 - 00:39:06:23
Speaker 1
How you came up with that.

00:39:06:23 - 00:39:15:10
Speaker 2
And started that and just like I just would love your advice in terms of just like private our country natural, like everything.

00:39:15:10 - 00:39:16:03
Speaker 1
That's like my dream.

00:39:16:03 - 00:39:42:02
Speaker 2
Life. So I was curious, like if you could share a little bit more about that, how it all came together and. Well, first of all, congratulations, because you've done that's heroic. Great. Raising five kids is heroic. Say you are amazing and also amazing that you're now wanting to, like, go back and find a new moment that's yours. Something for me, but also.

00:39:42:06 - 00:39:42:26
Speaker 1
Help to.

00:39:43:00 - 00:40:01:07
Speaker 2
Other people. Other people go, yeah, I just want to say I love what you what you just spoke about, about like platonic touch. So I'm not so much anymore except I feel sorry. But for a long time, I was really into something called acro your event, you and after the events. Yes, I did it actually with my brother.

00:40:01:28 - 00:40:23:19
Speaker 2
We were like a little duo and one thing that I learned about that and I think we need so much more of that is this ability to like have that kind of platonic play in the same way that you're talking about. Like, human beings are meant to have connection, you know? But we're a very, very disconnected world, and I'm so guilty of that too.

00:40:23:19 - 00:40:50:02
Speaker 2
Like, here I am, you know, eight and 7 p.m. sitting on my computer. We're all living with like blue light computers and our little silos, like cubicles or whatever. We're in and man, it can be so isolating and so lonely. Like, I just had this revelation myself about working behind a computer in a way you don't do, and how much less I'm seeing, you know, like humans and being outdoors.

00:40:50:02 - 00:41:09:14
Speaker 2
So let's also break this down. Social media is not real, OK? I have a lot of people. I mean, it is a sentence, but I'm just saying it's not an accurate portrayal of people's lives. So I like to take these moments to also be really open and honest about like I have friends that countries oh my gosh, I wish I had your life.

00:41:09:14 - 00:41:36:13
Speaker 2
You sit in bathtubs on the hillside that tells you about life to like that was a moment and I didn't do that. And that's beautiful. But that's not what I'm spending my days doing. Right. I'm running two companies. I'm working at a minimum 10 hours a day, sometimes, sometimes 14, and raising little people and trying my best to run a micro farm in whatever way I can.

00:41:36:13 - 00:41:57:29
Speaker 2
And life is busy and there's not a lot of free time to enjoy the things. But sometimes because I'm so fiercely protective of actual just home life and I love that, you know, other people are so open about it. But I'm never going to be the kind of person that takes for the purpose of making pictures. You know, here's my tool right here.

00:41:57:29 - 00:42:17:21
Speaker 2
So it's just not me. So all that I do share is my art, and that comes in the form of photography and writing and things like that in the hopes of, of course, inspiring, which is great. But I just want to be very open and honest that life is so much busier than what it looks like on social media, you know?

00:42:19:11 - 00:42:45:23
Speaker 2
And I guess what I would say to you wanting to start your business and doing that oh yeah. Well, you know, and I'm not trying to the way that in my mind, having something become successful is if you work, you haven't really hard and you're really, really passionate about it and you marry that together. That's the definition of success.

00:42:45:23 - 00:43:11:02
Speaker 2
Because I'll just tell you, my definition of success looks different from probably yours and yours and yours and ours. And like even in time, we have different definitions of success. And to me, I love things small, for example, like I love small business, I love small business, big impact. I guess we can say, well, we're like a little team of you know, mining and we're like a little team of four.

00:43:11:02 - 00:43:36:02
Speaker 2
And I that is successful to me. You might ask someone else what success feels like and they say like global takeover, like, you know, like massive scaling in 10,000 employees. And that's success to them. And that's amazing to me. It's small but they get mission, they give meaning big an impact. So whatever success means to you, do that, find that and do that that.

00:43:36:02 - 00:43:53:08
Speaker 2
Take the thing that you love the most and for your heart into hard work and you're going to find whatever it is on those tasks. And America's assessable, not because I've been working really hard as a mother and this new job right here and I'm very passionate about so many things.

00:43:53:25 - 00:44:12:09
Speaker 1
You know, this time we've actually got a couple minutes over here. We could talk to professor here. So if you did I get a chance to ask a a question here. She will be signing handwritten to come back. She'll get first because this time you're in line to convert your FedEx.