107. JENNIFER IACOPELLI: Netflix's Finding Her Edge and putting sports in sports romance

This week on LiteraryHype Podcast, I'm joined by Jennifer Iacopelli, just in time for her world to go crazy. Netflix will drop the TV show based on her book, Finding Her Edge, in just a couple days, and then her first novel, Game, Set, Match, will be updated and republished in early February. No biggie, right? 

Jennifer and I are talking all about putting sports back into sports romance, flipping tropes, and breaking typical structure for the sake of the story. Plus, there's a whole lot of laughter when I might compare one of her characters to the iconic audiobook narrator Teddy Hamilton.

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Transcript

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Unknown
Hi, and welcome to Literary Hype. I am Stephanie, your literary hype woman, back with another author interview for Literary Hype Podcast.

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Today we're not just talking about a book, we're talking about a book and another book and another book and a Netflix show.

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Jennifer I Capelli has so much going on right now.

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Jennifer Capelli is the author of Finding Her Edge, which is about to become a Netflix TV adaptation. So this is a show that will start on January 22nd with season one. This is about an ice dancing romance, but she's also got more books on the way, and that includes a repackage of her first two novels, Game Set Match and Wild Card, which are coming out in February and June.

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So we have a lot to talk about and maybe some hints about what could be coming next. And we're talking all about sports and sports, romance and breaking tropes and flipping structure and all of that. And it's so much fun. So definitely check out this conversation with Jennifer Capelli.

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Unknown
Welcome to literary hype. It's so exciting to have you on because you have an insane year ahead of you.

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Unknown
I have an insane year. I had a very quietly and senior in 2025, and now I'm going to have an insane out loud year in 2026. It's going to be crazy, and we are so excited to get to see this year play out. Let's start with what's coming up first. And that is it just a couple of days.

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The Netflix adaptation of Finding Her Edge will release us. So for anybody who hasn't heard anything about this book or seen the the was or anything for this show yet, what is finding her edge all about? So finding her edge ultimately is about three sisters who are inheriting a figure skating dynasty. Their parents were gold medalists. Their mom has since passed away, and their dad is struggling to keep their very famous rink afloat and our main character is Adrianna, the middle to serve, the middle child who is an ice dancer and therefore sort of the redheaded stepchild of the family because because Ikm sing in her family is not considered a real sport.

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Unknown
It is, in case anyone was wondering, but in her family, it's it's the last of the, the last on the totem pole. So she has a partner named Brayden, who she has been skating with for about a year. And they are featured on their sit on her sister's reality show. Because our sisters had it so the Olympics, and her sister is going to win a gold medal.

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And everyone falls in love with her and her partner instead. And so they decide that they're going to fake deep in order to get sponsorship money to keep the family's rink afloat and enter the ranch. Thrown into everything, her former partner comes back after two years away and has gone through this wonderful transformation. And he is absolutely gorgeous and he's back in her life for the first time.

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Unknown
So there is a love triangle. There is complicated relationships between sisters. There is the high stakes world of elite figure skating. Just in time for the Olympics and, and just in time for the show to come out if everyone wants to read it before it premieres on Netflix on January 22nd. Getting very good at that.

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Unknown
a lot of books get picked up? But they don't always see the follow through of the on screen adaptation. What was it like in that moment for you to find out this is really happening?

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Unknown
It was almost a little bit of a slow burn. I which I think is true for most, most productions.

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But it had been option for two years by the time we got sort of the green light to go. And it was dead probably three times in that interim of like, well, we're with one production company. That production company is literally closing. We're moving on to a different one. But throughout the entire process, I had a wonderful showrunner and executive producer, Jeff Norton, who believed in it.

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Unknown
And people always say like, well, how do you get your book adapted? And it's genuinely one person with the ability to get a TV show made, wants to get your book made into a TV show. It's literally I that's an it's as simple and as complicated as that. So that moment I was at home, I just got home from work because I have a day job, high school librarian.

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Unknown
And he texted me and said, hey, can you chat? And that's either really good news or really bad news when Jeff, who is Canadian in the most polite and wonderful person you've ever met, texts you any, he wants to check if you could chat. He's not just calling. And I said yes. And he we had this brief moment of like exchanging pleasantries, even though I knew like, this is the call where it's either happening or not happening.

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Unknown
And then he was like, okay, I'm done. Netflix bought the show and I screamed. And then I said, I'm so sorry, I have to hang up. And this is a little gross. I actually threw up. I was so intense, and I was in this ball of knots for like a month leading up to that, knowing like it's either happening or it's not, it's either happening or it's not.

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Unknown
And it was. And so I had this awful moment. And then from there I screamed and called him right back, and he gave me all the details. And then I called my mom, and then I called my dad, and I couldn't get through the phone call with my dad. I started crying. It was I was a mess.

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Unknown
And then I'm from New York. So what we do when we have something to do is we go eat. So we met at a diner for like a weird lunch dinner meal, and freaked out. And then I called my agent and I was outside this diner on Long Island screaming to my agent in London that Netflix was picking up the show, and she was screaming, and I was it was it was a lot.

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Unknown
It was a great moment. That was a fantastic moment.

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Unknown
Not everybody gets to be involved in their adaptation. So what kind of role did you take throughout this process? So I don't have an official role, but because Jeff, again, our incredible showrunner is also an author, he really gets it. So I was able to sit with the writer's room a couple of times.

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Unknown
I was sort of kept abreast of the process as we went through, you know, sending me different, actors and actresses as casting happened. So I wasn't on the ground with the production team doing this stuff, but because, again, I had such a fantastic team and they were so, like, cognizant of the fact that this is my baby and I'm, I'm trusting them with it, that they constantly were updating me.

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Unknown
So I felt very, very taken care of in that sense, for sure.

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Unknown
What was your favorite moment from set?

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the coolest thing about set is that once you're on a TV or film set, you realize why people live the sort of nomadic, unstable, slightly existence they do in order to do that job.

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Unknown
It is incredible. It's the most magical place I have ever been in my life. And that includes like Disney World, like, which is like the fake magic that they push on you and you believe it because it's an amazing experience. But this was like you stepped on, you were like, oh, I understand why this is people's dream. I understand why they want to.

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Unknown
They do. They get a taste and they want to continue to do it despite how hard it is. Just I think the coolest part was finally interacting with all of the people that got this done, like from our cast, obviously, who everyone's going to see on camera. And they're a wonderful group of kids. And I say kids because they're all except for like a handful of them, half my age.

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the woman who works in the production trailer, who is on a walkie making sure everyone's getting to where they need to go, to the caterers to the on set publicist and the photographer, to the tutors, the onset tutors for our kids who are still in school and their parents, and that like just seeing all of the different parts that go into making a TV show happen.

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Unknown
And weirdly, because of the odd political moment we're in, it's a nearly entirely Canadian production. And I was so proud of, like, helping Canada's economy. And we kept saying it like we're stimulating Canada's economy. Right. And it was a wonderful moment of like all these Canadian workers who were like, you know, we're working and we're doing this in their film industry is so wonderful as everyone is seeing some heated rivalry in the last few months, like Canadians are making incredible TV, and I'm so excited for people to see our version of Canadian TV too.

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Unknown
That was one moment. So the first time I met you was your first, and you happened to be there with the actress Maddie, who plays your main character, and somebody asked, I think it was Gayle. For me, it was like, oh, do you skate? And she goes, well, I'm Canadian, obviously. Like, it's so it is so funny because their version of like, can you skate?

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Unknown
Like, if you ask Maddie if she's a good figure skater, she would say no. But if you ask anyone watching her if she's a good figure skater, for someone who's not a figure skater, she's fantastic. So like their level, their level of thought about whether they're good at it or not is hilarious because I'm like, no, you are so much better than you think you are at this because they are born to skate.

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Unknown
They they, they're it's it's cultural. It's like playing T-ball in the U.S. or something like that, you know, like you do it because everyone does it. And then if you end up being good at it, great. But if not, you still have this skill that most of the country has.

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Talk a little bit about Maddie as your main character in this story and how she did, and getting to get to know her and travel with her a little bit.

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one day I texted Jeff and I keep talking about Jack, but he's incredible. As I said, thank you for finding me another little sister and he was like, what? I'm like, you don't understand. We have bonded in this very weird way where, you know, this is her first very big thing. And she has gone through a bunch of adversity that I will leave for her to tell people or not tell people, but she's gone through it.

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Unknown
And this is what I thought finding her, I thought, was going to be my last book. It wasn't successful. It wasn't financially a success as far as publishing was concerned. And it was kind of like, I don't know what I'm going to do next. And I feel like we've both come together at this exact time in our careers where we're either going to launch forward together or we're not, and it's a moment of like the solidarity of like we're in it together.

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Unknown
Meeting her, I've said this to her, I've said this to a bunch of people. Now it feels like I manifested her out of the universe. And because she is so much like my unique character in the good parts of my main character in real life, Maddie has her flaws, but they're not Adrianna's flaws. But the similarities are startling.

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The vulnerability, the determination, the sheer grit in having this dream that isn't possible, statistically speaking, and becoming an Olympic gold medalist is statistically impossible for everyone else except the person who wins. And the things that she has gone through that she is where she is, feels statistically impossible to me. And through sheer force of will, she has made it happen.

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And when I met her and I started talking to her, I was like, oh, oh, you're the same. How did they find you? And you? And weirdly, also, you look like her. Like I'm not one of those people. Like, oh, it has to look exactly like described in the book. But also you look exactly like her. Like, how did they find you?

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Did I, did I create you out of my dream? And now you're here. You're here in the world, and you're gonna start the TV adaptation. Somehow that's how it's felt this whole way. Truly. Like I found it up a little sister,

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So precious, I love. I know we're so. We're so gross. We're like, oh, look how cute we are.

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I'm like, I know it's bad. We shouldn't be this close. And yet here we are.

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Unknown
With the adaptations, there are always things that change from the book to the screen. Is there anything that you're like, oh, I wish I would have thought of that. That has changed.

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Unknown
Not necessarily.

00;11;22;07 - 00;11;44;11
Unknown
I wish I would have thought of that. There are a couple of things that they've changed, and this is not super spoilery. It's just the nature of television versus the nature of a book. When we first meet Adriana in in the TV show, she's not currently skating. And I thought that was a really interesting decision because it creates this opportunity for her to come back to the sport she loves.

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Unknown
And that's not a spoiler you can guess from, you know, the trailer I'm sure people have seen at this point she is going to skate in this show. But she's not in that moment. And Matty actually said this to me, and it makes a lot of sense. The more times you can have your character be in charge of her own destiny, and the more times she can be like, okay, choose your own adventure.

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Unknown
Which way are you going to go? The more engaging it is for an audience in a book situation. I needed that world already set up. Otherwise it was going to take me 6070 extra pages to kind of get that decision to happen. And that would have been what the book was about. It's a young adult novel. It can't be that long.

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Unknown
So I was like, no, we have to start with her already. Already there. But in an eight episode TV show where you can do a lot of storytelling through showing and you can say, hey, here's a picture and you get it immediately without in what would take me ten pages. It made a lot of sense. There's there also some stuff in this is spoilery, so I can't really go into it, but there's some stuff that they've pulled out of the narrative in what we hope is season one of a few, that would probably show up later on if they if we are indeed renewed and we and we had the opportunity to make more,

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Unknown
and it makes sense narratively that it wouldn't be in the first book per se, because you would want to be able to continue that story. So I know nothing, nothing necessarily that I would have changed in my book, but I get why they changed it in the show for sure.

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Unknown
What are you most excited for people to see come to life?

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Unknown
And if it's spoilery, give us like a code word so we know what to look for. Okay, it's not spoilery because it's the skating. There's two. It's twofold. The skating, first of all, is phenomenal. It at some point during the process, the skating was so good that I don't quote me because I wasn't in charge of production, but I'm pretty sure they added to the budget to create more skating, because that's how good it was.

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Unknown
And the initial sort of like showing of the production as, as we went along. And it was it's, it's we've we brought in real elite competitive figure skaters, and we have the technology now to sort of like some of the space and then somebody else, and it is real high level, world class level ice skating. And it's phenomenal to watch.

00;13;53;26 - 00;14;08;01
Unknown
It's phenomenal to watch in person. And it's even more incredible when you see some of the drone footage they got of the skaters on the ice, following them in a perspective that you would never get even watching from home in a competition, because they have to have sort of that back shot of you can so you can see the whole ice.

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Unknown
And in sometimes you get facial closeups, but you don't ever get that on the ice perspective. Incredible. And the second thing I really cannot wait for people to see, and this is probably more important than the skating, but the skating just blows you away. But I don't want people to miss. This is the incredibly layered performances that our actors are bringing to the table.

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Unknown
And that our directors, who are incredible drew out of them as the series went along. When you start a TV show, particularly a teen TV show, you sort of have like people are a little bit of character caricature, you know, like they have like, okay, she's the cool girl and she's the mean girl and she's the middle child and he's the bad boy and he's the good boy.

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Unknown
And then as the series goes along, the layers that have been built into these characters and the performances that draw that emotion from the audience, there are people you should not be rooting for in this show that you are going to be rooting for by the end of the season, because you've been drawn in by a performance and you've been convinced that they are not what they seem to the world, that they are so much more.

00;15;10;17 - 00;15;17;25
Unknown
And I cannot wait for people to see that. So look for those performances because they're incredible and I truly can't wait.

00;15;17;28 - 00;15;33;10
Unknown
going along with flipping things a little bit, this does flip the fake dating trope a little bit than what we're doing is to, to talk a little bit about your decision to kind of deviate from a trope that we all know and love and making it into something slightly different.

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Unknown
when I was talking to my editor about it, we had a conversation about it wasn't necessarily a trope flipped so much that it was two tropes battling against each other. And in that moment, it's this one boy who has supported her and been through, incredibly difficult life moments with her and then disappeared from her life, mostly because of her own choices.

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Unknown
And then another boy who has also been with her through incredibly difficult life moments and has been there for her and is just currently in her life because it's the correct thing for her in her career, which most 16 year olds don't deal with. So you're not thinking about, oh, what? Which boy is good for my career when you're 16 years old?

00;16;21;02 - 00;16;43;08
Unknown
Generally, which is why it's so fascinating to be in these athletes worlds, because 16 year olds don't have careers, except some of them do. So it would be we looked at it more as two tropes kind of going head to head. And I challenged myself, and I played myself because I knew it was going to create readers who were not necessarily happy with the choice she makes at the end of the story.

00;16;43;08 - 00;17;03;17
Unknown
And I'm okay with that, because I made the choice deliberately. So it's the choice our character makes is about what's best for her in that moment and what she wants in that moment. And if you go through this journey with her, she very rarely chooses what's best for her. She's very much always kind of choosing what's best for everyone else in her life.

00;17;03;20 - 00;17;22;28
Unknown
So in that moment she says, no, no, no, this choice is for me. And who I'm with is only important to me and the person that I'm with, and I have to make that choice and that decision for me. But she's 16 years old. Things might change. And now that there's a Netflix series, maybe we get more of the story and we get to see what plays out going on.

00;17;22;29 - 00;17;46;26
Unknown
Maybe, maybe, maybe, I guess we'll just have to watch it enough that Netflix renews it and we can see what goes on next. And I will say I can't give specifics, but I am currently writing something right now that people who are maybe we're happy with the ending or not happy with the ending will maybe still be excited to see in the future that I can't talk about quite yet.

00;17;46;26 - 00;18;01;18
Unknown
I'm so bad at talking about stuff because I'm not allowed to say anything, and I'm getting very good at saying nothing while saying lots of words, but I'm saying nothing except that maybe people might be excited in a year ish or so about what happens next.

00;18;01;23 - 00;18;02;16
Unknown
Oh, I love this.

00;18;02;19 - 00;18;06;00
Unknown
it's a spoiler without a spoiler because it's happening kind of.

00;18;06;00 - 00;18;24;22
Unknown
We'll see. Okay, that's enough. I'm I'm going to shut up before. Like I feel like there's like I'm not in Marvel, obviously, but I feel like the eyeballs are like right here being like, I'm not allowed to talk about this, so keep your mouth shut. So here I am. I mean, I've gotten some scoops a year at like, all of you, Blake and I talked about her graphic novel a year before it was announced.

00;18;24;22 - 00;18;44;28
Unknown
And like, nobody caught on, it's like, oops, sorry. Well, now that we're talking about how I'm not supposed to be talking about it, people are going to catch on. But technically it's announced without. It's the most amount of announced it could be without actually being announced. Let's say it like that. And then we can go. It's not in Publishers Weekly yet, weirdly.

00;18;44;28 - 00;19;04;19
Unknown
Kind of, but not specifically. If you know how book deals are announced and you read between the lines in my book deal announcements, you will know that something's happening. But I can't say specifically what. We'll just leave it at that. Okay. There you go, everyone go. Everyone go check out Publishers Weekly and Publishers Marketplace and you can very quickly deduce what I'm talking about.

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Unknown
Love it, love it, love it. But this and your upcoming books are centered in sports worlds where they are training for elite levels. So what was your research like into that world?

00;19;16;01 - 00;19;18;14
Unknown
For my next book, we can do a little

00;19;18;17 - 00;19;20;19
Unknown
game set match coming out in February.

00;19;20;24 - 00;19;23;28
Unknown
That was not difficult. I have been a tennis fan my whole life.

00;19;24;00 - 00;19;45;29
Unknown
So other than a handful of like, hey, specifically on the professional tennis tour, how does this thing happen? Which had to change because the original versions of those books came out ten years ago and we rewrote them for a new audience. So some things had to change a little bit, but not a ton. So, I mean, I took ten, lessons at the National Tennis Center when I was a young girl.

00;19;45;29 - 00;20;07;13
Unknown
I was not good. I stopped them pretty young, but I had sort of been in that world, at the very least as a fan and a spectator my whole life. So that was not hard. That came very, very easy. I knew exactly what I wanted to write, how I wanted to write it. I wanted to follow these three young women through the, the WTA tour, take you through the French Open.

00;20;07;13 - 00;20;26;01
Unknown
Well, we start in the Aussie Open with that kind of happens beforehand. Then we go to the French Open, Wimbledon, and then maybe, hopefully eventually the US open. But it's another publishing cross your fingers. And I that was easy. Figure skating was a whole other ballgame. It was it's probably the sport I'm least familiar with, particularly ice dance.

00;20;26;03 - 00;20;52;26
Unknown
And therefore I leaned very heavily on friends of mine who are very, very, very big fans. And then a lot of YouTube, just so much YouTube. My, my algorithm might be ruined forever. Not ruined because it's wonderful and it's beautiful, but it's just figure skating. And it was for about two years while I was drafting, and that was going through the regulations, going through our competition schedules, watching each program, watching the development of programs throughout the years.

00;20;52;26 - 00;21;24;27
Unknown
Because in the book I am writing about junior figure skaters, junior ice dancers. So that is a whole other animal. Then once you get to the senior level of competition, and what that transition looks like, and when that transition happens, you know, for some athletes, particularly young women, especially in pairs and, and ice downs, their transition happens a little bit later, but still, could be considered way later for a single skater because single skaters or sometimes senior by 16, 17, 18, I know they change the rules in a few in the last few years, thank goodness.

00;21;24;29 - 00;21;39;10
Unknown
But so yeah, it was a lot of like navigating how the rules have changed when the rules changed what my skaters journeys would look like. And then, you know, watching them do that for the TV show was a whole other animal. And it was like, okay, good luck, it's your turn. Here's all the different rules and how they've changed.

00;21;39;17 - 00;21;55;21
Unknown
You just touched on game set match. So let's dive in on that. Since this comes out in February, which is not far away. No, it's very close flying. Everything is happening in six weeks in my life. It's just I mean, this is six weeks. No. Not even oh my gosh, it's not even six weeks. It's like three weeks.

00;21;55;24 - 00;22;16;25
Unknown
They've condensed like a lifetime's worth of dreams into like a fortnight for me. So it's going to be a lot. Yes. You're going to see a lot from you is what you're going to see me for like 14 straight days, and then I'm going to disappear in the ether and not speak to people for another like at least two months until the other until it's sequel comes out in June.

00;22;16;25 - 00;22;43;07
Unknown
Yeah. Yes. You get a little bit of a break. But for anybody who hasn't heard about game set match, what is this story about? So I hinted a little bit before, it focuses on three young female tennis players. Our main character, sort of. It does follow three different points of view. So you're in the story almost the way a TV show would kind of be written, where you're kind of jumping from plotline to plotline, but all those plotlines are intertwined, and are a main character.

00;22;43;07 - 00;23;02;03
Unknown
I would say for the first book. His name's Penny Harrison. She is 20 years old. She is a rising star on the tennis court. She's just won her very first big tournament. And then she goes back home to her tennis club to train right before the French Open. And in walks the guy she had a one night stand with in the Australian Open.

00;23;02;06 - 00;23;23;26
Unknown
And it throws her for a loop. She doesn't know how to deal with it, but he is coming back from an injury, and her coach thinks this guy is the best way for her to train leading up to the biggest competition of her life. And he's not wrong. He does help elevate her game. So we get to see a little bit of, like, second chance romance with a dash of rivals to lovers.

00;23;23;26 - 00;23;45;02
Unknown
But they're not really rivals. They don't play each other on the court. But there's definitely a rivalry there, an athletic rivalry where she aspires to the career that this this man Alex has had. A little bit of a British bad boy, reformed British bad boy. I think he's learned his lesson. The reason he's coming back from an injury is he was on a motorcycle accident and kind of taking a lot of risks that he maybe shouldn't have been taking.

00;23;45;04 - 00;24;06;05
Unknown
And so they have to try to find their way together all the while that's happening. You meet Indiana Gaffney and Jasmine Randazzo, who are two other tennis players at the club, and you kind of follow their journeys and, and their the burgeoning love stories that should be followed with a little eye for the future. As you read.

00;24;06;07 - 00;24;22;17
Unknown
And the second book will come out in June. That's called Wild Card, and it follows Indy a little bit more closely. So I'm really excited for people to read it that it they came out ten years ago. They were in that weird y and a crossover space where no one really knew what that was going to be.

00;24;22;20 - 00;24;31;10
Unknown
And now they've gotten new life as firmly New adult, on the lower end of the spicy scale, but firmly new adult. And, I can't wait for people to read them. So excited.

00;24;31;13 - 00;24;43;20
Unknown
but you just touched on the three POVs, which feels a little like, structure break. Because when you get a romance novel, you're used to seeing, like the POV of the you either get like, the main girl or like the two in the couple.

00;24;43;20 - 00;25;02;14
Unknown
You see POV from three people. And it's like, you know that you're setting up future books. It's just a different approach for that. So why did you choose this approach for this series? I wish I could give a really, really wonderful philosophical answer. The answer is it was the first book I ever wrote. I was a baby author.

00;25;02;14 - 00;25;19;08
Unknown
I was in my 20s. I was like, I'm going to try to write a book. I was unemployed in the first during the first financial crisis of my adulthood. And I had about a year in my head of like, well, maybe I'll try to write a book. I'm still living at home, and I want to say I didn't know any better, but that's not really the case.

00;25;19;08 - 00;25;32;07
Unknown
It was more I that's how the story came to me. And so when you're writing your first book, getting in your own way is a lot of times what happens to people. So I was like, I'm not going to get in my own way. This is how the story came to me. This is how I'm going to write the story.

00;25;32;09 - 00;25;49;16
Unknown
And I fell in love with the characters so much that I was like this. I can't tell this story any other way. This is this is how their lives work. This is how their lives are intertwined. So that's what I'm going to do. And I was lucky enough to find an editor who was like, yeah, you kind of blew up how we normally do this, but I love it.

00;25;49;16 - 00;25;53;17
Unknown
So we're going to go do it. And I've been lucky in that way.

00;25;53;19 - 00;26;02;15
Unknown
I was reading and I'm like, this is so different. But I it's still good, but it's different. And I don't know how to process this.

00;26;02;17 - 00;26;09;09
Unknown
I don't usually do it on purpose. Like I'm not that author. That's like, I'm going to mess with the trope or I'm like, I don't set out to do that.

00;26;09;09 - 00;26;26;02
Unknown
And then my brain is like, but this is correct for the story, and then I have to do it because I'm like, I'm an artist. I must do what my brain tells me to do as I'm writing. And then somehow it works. By the end. But I swear, I try not to be that person. Like, I just want to go write a romance novel, but then, like.

00;26;26;02 - 00;26;35;24
Unknown
But what if it was three main characters? But what if there were three different things you needed to follow and somehow fit under 90,000 words? And my brain's like, challenge, except.

00;26;35;27 - 00;26;42;18
Unknown
What was it like, navigating this process for the repackaging and updating this story? And how did this all come about

00;26;42;22 - 00;26;54;15
Unknown
yeah, I feel like it was like re repackaging because I initially wrote them and they were New Adult. They were, but New Adult didn't exist. So I wrote them. And then everyone was like, you probably need to age this down.

00;26;54;18 - 00;27;11;11
Unknown
So then I did and they sold and they sold to a very small digital only publisher back when that was sort of a thing that was happening all over the place. Almost no one read them. I loved them, but they kind of went really nowhere. And then the publisher closed and then the publisher. No, they didn't close.

00;27;11;12 - 00;27;30;02
Unknown
They sold themselves to another publisher who sold themselves to Macmillan, and then they closed. So it was a little bit of like, oh, for my first publishing journey, kind of got burnt out a little bit. And then when all of this stuff started happening around finding her edge and Netflix came a calling, people were like, hey, you have these other books.

00;27;30;02 - 00;27;46;26
Unknown
What what did you ever do with them? And I was like, the publisher closed and I just re-uploaded them to Amazon. That was that was basically it. And they're like, well, what do you want to do with them? And I was like, I'd love to kind of go back to to what they were originally supposed to be and requited, which is an imprint of little.

00;27;46;26 - 00;28;05;18
Unknown
Brown came along and they're doing a new adult push. And Alice German, my editor over there, was super excited to get that done. And we we worked really hard over the course of about 5 or 6 months to get those books into what I would consider a much better shape than they were in for my very first attempt to write anything.

00;28;05;20 - 00;28;08;29
Unknown
And I'm really, really proud of how they came out. It's I'm really excited for people to see them.

00;28;09;02 - 00;28;23;04
Unknown
Having read Finding Your Edge and then jumping into games that match, I was a little surprised because I thought that they were. Yeah. And then I was like, you're not. Oh, not there, new adult. Hello. These are na. Okay, I will say it's probably and it's very early.

00;28;23;04 - 00;28;42;12
Unknown
So if you hit it early you're like, oh okay this I know where we are exactly. I was like, oh this is very early for the. Yeah I was very clear. I was it was funny. We were doing the covers. I was like, we need to make sure that they give adult and not wait. But it's everything is such a mishmash now in the cover game that it's really hard to distinguish between the two.

00;28;42;12 - 00;28;59;18
Unknown
So I want to. They are grownup books. They are spicy. They're mildly spicy. When you look at what else is out there in the adult world, I would say like, it's such, it's a two wish, two and a half. I'm I'm not very good at the chili pepper reading, but I would say like it's a two ish, maybe two and a half level of spice.

00;28;59;20 - 00;29;07;14
Unknown
But not the zero spice that my my eight books, which is so excellent kissing and some lots of yearning, but but no spice.

00;29;07;16 - 00;29;16;01
Unknown
No one's good at the chili pepper scale. Like everyone's bad and everyone has their own. It's like, what's a five star read for one person? And what's a two star read for someone else? And somehow they both liked the book.

00;29;16;02 - 00;29;17;28
Unknown
The same. Yeah, yeah. You know.

00;29;18;03 - 00;29;40;05
Unknown
Oh yeah, rating system is a whole nother can of worms. And like, I give reviewers so much credit because my reviewing system is I liked the book and that's like I have no other. Like, did you like it? I did, I enjoyed it, that's it. That's my call that people have such nuanced takes and wonderful like, well, this is, you know, three and a quarter because of this, this, this and this.

00;29;40;05 - 00;29;50;24
Unknown
And I'm like, wow, I liked it. That's all I got. And they're right. They're never wrong. I'm just like, I my brain does not work like that. So I give them so much credit.

00;29;51;01 - 00;30;00;23
Unknown
Oh yeah. It's it's interesting how some of the like indie authors have been like, messaging, reviewers and like, hey, you gave me less than five star.

00;30;00;23 - 00;30;21;19
Unknown
You need to fix that. And it's just it's kind of gotten a little my favorite review ever of my books. Well, there's two. One was four games to match its original version back in 2013. Where someone said they liked it against their will. And I was like, yeah, yeah, you did. And I believe it was a three star rating.

00;30;21;19 - 00;30;37;25
Unknown
And I was like, damn right. Did you like that book? I made you like this, but you didn't want to, and I made you admit you didn't love it, but you liked it. Damn right. And my second favorite one ever was, I believe it was for finding her edge. And it was somebody who ship to the ship that does not become canon at the end of the book.

00;30;37;28 - 00;30;53;06
Unknown
And I get it 100%. I have had that happen to me, and they said they wanted to throw the book into the sun, which the sun does feature heavily in, in the, in the book. And I get it. And I was like, girl, please do that and video it so I can see, like, I made you feel something.

00;30;53;06 - 00;31;05;16
Unknown
I'm so sorry. I'm sorry it made you feel anger and hurt. And it's a one star review for you. And you feel like maybe you wasted your time. But I made you feel. I would like to see a video of you throwing it. That would be amazing. So those are my two favorite views of all time. And they were negative.

00;31;05;19 - 00;31;08;19
Unknown
It's what people would consider negative. And I thought they were great.

00;31;08;21 - 00;31;25;25
Unknown
Oh yeah. I interviewed an author named James Kennedy and he like memorizes some of the reviews and like, so he was like quote like he quoted a good he could quote it. Wow. Quoted a one star Goodreads review. So well, I could find it amazing. And like all of the things I was like, oh, that's the one.

00;31;25;28 - 00;31;29;09
Unknown
But you're right, with the feelings like, it was just my thing.

00;31;29;12 - 00;31;38;18
Unknown
Yeah. I was taking one of my friends with me to meet an author, and she was like, I actually didn't like this book. And she's like, what am I supposed to say? And then she was like, it made me feel big feelings.

00;31;38;21 - 00;31;39;11
Unknown
and you did.

00;31;39;11 - 00;31;56;01
Unknown
And you felt big feelings. And if you feel big feelings, but with by art that somebody made mission accomplished, you don't have it. It doesn't have to be happiness. It doesn't have to be love and enjoyment. It could just be this book mean, like, I'll use the perfect example in a book that many people made them feel this way.

00;31;56;08 - 00;32;13;25
Unknown
Atonement. I threw atonement across the room and refused to believe the ending, and I was like, no, that's terrible, but here I am 20 years later, talking about how much I wanted to throw atonement across the room. That's okay. Made you feel something?

00;32;14;01 - 00;32;22;16
Unknown
I threw sharp objects one end of the registers at Barnes and Noble to the other because I thought I had it figured out, and then it flips on the page you did not like.

00;32;22;18 - 00;32;33;24
Unknown
How did I had my headcanon ready to go? I thought I was so smart. And then Jillian flips out. You're like, God, you suck. So,

00;32;33;27 - 00;32;38;26
Unknown
But with feeling big things and all these different perspectives, there are three perspectives in games that match.

00;32;38;26 - 00;32;40;27
Unknown
Which of the girls are you most like?

00;32;41;00 - 00;33;00;11
Unknown
It's so funny because everyone thinks that I'm like, indie. Everyone's like, oh, did this. That's the author. I remember there was actually a review that was like, that's the author herself. Insert I am not I am probably most like Penny. My level of neuroses right there with hers. My level of like, intensity is lower.

00;33;00;11 - 00;33;17;13
Unknown
I definitely don't bring that level of intensity to my life, but I have it and I'm capable of it. And so I channeled that when I write her because I know I can do that. She just always lived her life that way, which sounds exhausting. But she does. She's she's good with it, which is what has enabled her to rise to the top of the tennis world.

00;33;17;16 - 00;33;41;06
Unknown
Meanwhile, here I am in my chair. You know, but I'm probably most like her. When it comes to how I approach life, every character has a little bit of me in there. I, you know, Jasmine, her first crush, is something that she's going through in that first, not her first crush, but her first love in the sense that she has been crushing on this guy for a very, very, very long time.

00;33;41;09 - 00;33;59;25
Unknown
That was me in high school. I had one guy that I sort of like, fixated on, and it was probably somebody it was very much unrequited and very much like that was never going to happen, but it was a safe thing to fixate on. And so I think that's how a lot of people approach their first sort of romantic, like, ooh, what about that person?

00;33;59;27 - 00;34;17;23
Unknown
And so I drew that from my experience. But yeah, if I had to narrow it down, it's probably tiny and it's probably her level of obsessive neuroses in her life. I'm so sorry to hear that. People want to be like my forehands. Just as good as her, as like, no, I'm the Roddick. And so the real answer is I'm neurotic and so and so is she.

00;34;17;28 - 00;34;31;14
Unknown
I'm like, change. We don't change things. We leave things. Exactly. They're working. We leave things the way they are. We don't mess with stuff. She has issues with that. I have issues with that. So it's mostly her and her, negative comments. Looks like,

00;34;31;19 - 00;34;36;15
Unknown
you know, that's so real, though. It's the realist. Well, because listen,

00;34;36;16 - 00;34;41;23
Unknown
there are very there was a there's a subset of romance novels specifically where the main character is very relatable.

00;34;41;24 - 00;34;54;14
Unknown
But I write sports, romance, elite sport romance like these. I am not that like these people, except in the ways in which they are like normal people. And being an erotic obsessive is one of them. And here I am.

00;34;54;17 - 00;35;00;09
Unknown
you just said, like you're sitting in your chair while you're not on these people's level of, like, activity.

00;35;00;11 - 00;35;14;27
Unknown
But these books do have more sports in them than a lot of other sports romances. So why did you include so much of the sports activity itself? Mostly it's because that's what I want to read. When I sat down to first write aims that match 15 years ago,

00;35;15;02 - 00;35;29;11
Unknown
It was because I was reading a lot of sports romance with no sports on the pitch, and I was like, I am the target audience for this subgenre of book. I am a female sports fan who loves romance novels. Why is it so hard to find? And so I was like, well, I'm going to do it then.

00;35;29;13 - 00;35;56;07
Unknown
I also think for whatever reason, and I think there's many reasons, but we don't highlight the ambition of women enough, maybe necessarily in fiction. And I love the idea of and there's a multitude of love interests, different kinds of love interests in my book, but I love the idea of the female, the the woman being the the athlete and her having dreams and her pursuing her goals and her going after what she wants.

00;35;56;10 - 00;36;14;18
Unknown
And the guy really liking that about her. So sometimes, like, you know, romance is a little bit like, oh, it's you know, what's the word that they use all the time? Oh, unrealistic. No, it's not. It should be realistic that a woman can be ambitious and her partner is like, yes, you're ambitious, and I love that for you.

00;36;14;20 - 00;36;28;28
Unknown
I think we see a lot of good examples of that in real life. Simone Biles as husband comes to mind. He is so supportive of her career. And you see him at every meet. And, you know, I was at Olympic trials for the Summer Olympics, and he was there every day with his bedazzled shirt on, rooting her on.

00;36;29;00 - 00;36;46;29
Unknown
So that that's really where where I took it from. I was like, I want to see that female ambition. And in order to see it, you have to put it on the page. And the most intense moments in my books are those those big romantic moments that we have in every romance novel, but also in during the competition.

00;36;46;29 - 00;36;54;10
Unknown
And it's not just are they going to have a happily ever after? Yes. Are they going to win or lose? And what does that look like for them?

00;36;54;12 - 00;37;05;21
Unknown
One thing you do really well is like describing the set ups and everything. And like the feelings and the smell, like you're describing the smells of these training facilities.

00;37;05;23 - 00;37;19;29
Unknown
And as a former, it's not always a super pleasant smell, but exists exactly. As a former athlete, I'm like, I both love this and I'm traumatized. Yeah. You're having a little bit of like, oh, I remember, I remember that, like, what does the dirt smell like after you've eaten it? Like. Yeah, like that.

00;37;20;02 - 00;37;24;01
Unknown
Did you have to go back and like, go through the facilities to get those smells too?

00;37;24;04 - 00;37;38;03
Unknown
Oh no. It's like great trauma comes back. Like as soon as I channeled that in my head because I was an athlete growing up, I wasn't an elite athlete, but I was an athlete. I know what a locker room is. Not like I know what the the dirt in the grass on the tennis court smells like. I, I that was that was easy.

00;37;38;03 - 00;37;40;17
Unknown
The sensory stuff came back really quick.

00;37;40;20 - 00;38;03;11
Unknown
So many sports romances and like just sports books in general missed out on like the smell that is so triggering, like, smell is such an important part of your memory. And every sport has its own sort of, in some ways unpleasant, but in a lot of ways very pleasant sense. Like when I think of like, okay, I'm going to go to a hockey game, the ice has a smell and, you know, I'm going to a baseball game and I, I'm a big Yankee fan.

00;38;03;11 - 00;38;21;19
Unknown
I walk into Yankee Stadium and I smell the grass and I smell the dirt. And when I played, I could smell the leather of my glove, you know, like, that's an important very like your memory is tied to smell. So if you can bring that onto the page and, and like you said, like, oh, you're having that memory as you're reading that in your author, job done.

00;38;21;19 - 00;38;27;08
Unknown
Check the box. Like you did a great job. And I thank you. Thank you very much. I'm glad. I'm I'm glad I'm seeing that note for you.

00;38;27;13 - 00;38;37;04
Unknown
one thing that's probably not not real, but in my head is real. Because since you wrote this before, this guy was saying, you have Teddy Harrison in this book.

00;38;37;06 - 00;39;02;04
Unknown
I do, and every time I. And because there's so many references to Teddy's voice and it's made me think of Teddy Hamilton. So no, because I read Ted Harrison in 2011. So it wasn't about Teddy Hamilton. But if people want to take that, that's fine. Like in reading it before knowing that it was a repackaging, I was like, you said that you read it.

00;39;02;04 - 00;39;21;26
Unknown
Ode to Teddy here. Are we pulling a little? No. You're sadly no. But if you want. Listen, who am I to say I'm just the author? Once it's in your hands, do what you want. And if it's Teddy Hunt in your head, knock yourself out. I mean, he's so nice. He's adorable. And honestly, so is Teddy Harrison. He just has to grow up a little bit, a lot.

00;39;21;29 - 00;39;44;01
Unknown
But he has to grow up a lot because Teddy Hamilton is a full grown man. So he's so maybe that's maybe. Listen, I haven't written the third potential book in that series yet, so maybe that's the journey Teddy is about to be on. And if you read the second book, you'll see a little bit of growth, and I'm moving on down that line.

00;39;44;03 - 00;40;09;24
Unknown
So there is a second book that is coming out and it is called Wild Card. And it's it's hard to talk about it without spoilers, so we won't talk about it too much, but give us a little overview of Wild Card and when people can expect that. So the Non-spoiler part of Wild Card is that if you follow tennis, tennis follows a very strict schedule, and every year tennis starts with the Australian Open, which we are barreling towards in the next few weeks.

00;40;09;26 - 00;40;29;01
Unknown
And then we head towards Claycourt season, which is the French Open, which is where game set, match takes place or where it resolves. You can infer then, that we will continue to follow that schedule, and we will head towards Wimbledon and London. And in book two, and again, it will be our three protagonists, tiny, Andy and Jasmine.

00;40;29;03 - 00;41;04;22
Unknown
They will all be at different parts of their journey, both on the court and off of it. And we focus a little bit more on Indy and her potential romance with Penang. His brother, agent Jack, who is maybe my favorite romance hero I've ever written. Maybe I love Alex. I've got a soft spot for a British bad boy, but, a really solid guy who gave up his athletic pursuits in his professional pursuits to be his sister, his agent, because he didn't want her to get taken advantage of and then has this connection with a girl.

00;41;04;22 - 00;41;24;20
Unknown
He's a little bit older than not a lot. The age gaps not big, but big enough for him to be like, oh, maybe you might be too young for me. And that's how he approaches their relationship. Oh, I'm very soft for him. He definitely stood out to me as well in the first book set that I am because like, the end of the arc has that first chapter.

00;41;24;20 - 00;41;41;18
Unknown
So I was like, oh, that's right, it I forgot that they we managed again, a lot of work in about 3 or 4 months. So we managed to get everything kind of ready and we were like, okay, we can we have a little bit of sneak peek of wild card in, for book two, but I'm very excited to be able to meet him and, get to know Indy, too.

00;41;41;18 - 00;41;56;12
Unknown
And he's kind of Indy is a wild card, which is why we settled on that title. She is. She just says the stuff that pops into her head. Let's just say that. In fact, maybe that's why I love her. She's great, I love him, she's going to have stick, but whatever pops into her head comes out of her mouth.

00;41;56;12 - 00;42;00;02
Unknown
And, sometimes it consequences to that.

00;42;00;04 - 00;42;08;15
Unknown
What comments consequences for my actions, my words. I said something and now people have feelings about it

00;42;08;18 - 00;42;17;28
Unknown
never anything super harmful. She just has a vault and she's like, I'm going to tell people, why shouldn't I? Not wrong. She's very, very wrong is the thing.

00;42;18;00 - 00;42;37;19
Unknown
So you know, yeah, I'm able to meet her. I'm back in there. I'm just telling people that I'm going to tell you why we all have a little bit of all of them inside of us, but ultimately, we are one of the three, I think. I think I hit a lot of, female archetypes in all three of my girls, so I'm excited for people to be able to relate to at least one of them.

00;42;37;22 - 00;42;58;00
Unknown
Is there anything beyond wild card that you can tease for us a little bit? The thing that I'm working on right now that is like announced, but not announced that I can't talk about, that's why. Yeah, let's just say it like that. It is young adults. And then from there we will see. It's about to be a crazy couple of months, during which I will be drafting a book.

00;42;58;02 - 00;43;17;13
Unknown
So maybe we'll chat later in the year and maybe my brain will have, like, processed everything and I'll be like, oh, and now I can talk about these things that will be happening after when's the last. No. June. June 2026. This is not a problem. This is a happy problem, a good problem, a first world, not even a first world problem.

00;43;17;13 - 00;43;37;08
Unknown
The .1.0 1% of the world problem. But I'm about to be very busy, so my brain is processing it as best I can. And, but yeah. So the next thing I'm working on his way. And then from there we will see a lot of what I plan on doing in the foreseeable future has to do with things out of my control at this point.

00;43;37;11 - 00;43;41;21
Unknown
So we will see how things go in the next few months. And then I'll then I'll report back.

00;43;41;24 - 00;43;44;28
Unknown
Well, we have our fingers crossed for sure. Yes.

00;43;45;01 - 00;43;49;05
Unknown
Last question we always ask because this is literary hype. What books are you hyped about?

00;43;49;07 - 00;43;53;28
Unknown
I have a whole list because I come prepared. But similar to the characters we were talking about.

00;43;53;28 - 00;44;15;02
Unknown
Oh, am I neurotic? And overly prepared for a situation? I have a few, so I feel like tennis romance is having a moment. And in the adult world, there's two tennis romance books that I'm really, really looking forward to. They're both my male authors. Which in the romance space we need, we need more, particularly LGBTQ plus male authors.

00;44;15;04 - 00;44;39;05
Unknown
30 loves by Tom Zellner, which I'm so excited about. The Open ERA by Abbott Schmidt, which both take place on the tennis tour on the pro tennis store. They're both, spacey adult novels. I'm very excited about those. Outside of the sports world, in adult I, I'm really looking forward to Grace Riley is. Yes, chef, which is like the romance novel take on the bear, but set in Miami, which is super fun.

00;44;39;07 - 00;44;57;01
Unknown
So excited for that. And then what I'm reading right now, or I'm about to start reading because I haven't had a chance to read in the last couple of weeks because the season's been crazy. Is The Arcane Inheritance by Camille Cole. So I like to read what I'm not writing, and that is as far away from what I write as I could possibly find.

00;44;57;03 - 00;45;16;12
Unknown
Is Dark Academia a new adult set in a college? Magic and fantasy and a mission, and I'm so excited to dive into it. Can't wait. And in the space. I am so, so excited. It's my favorite most anticipated read of next year. It's called Meet Me Under the Lights by Cassie Miller. It is a young adult sports romance.

00;45;16;14 - 00;45;35;14
Unknown
But it's about a theater girl and a sporty boy, and there's, like, Shakespearean elements to it and all of these beautiful quotes that she puts in front of the chapters, and it's got sort of like the small town Friday Night Lights vibe, a baseball, which is my favorite sport. It's never gotten written. Well, I did get to write about it, depending, but I've never got to write about it as me.

00;45;35;17 - 00;45;51;20
Unknown
And then my next one, Such a Witch by Sarah Henning, who I know we both know and adore. Sarah Henning. And it's a sort of like Wednesday meets clueless, but with murder. I'm so excited about that one. And then a third one, which I actually just recently found out about it. I'm so excited. It's called Smash or Pass by Bertie Shay.

00;45;51;20 - 00;46;08;17
Unknown
I'm hope I'm pronouncing her last name right as a fellow difficult last name person. But it's a volleyball romance, which me and Sapphic. So we don't have enough of sapphic romance in the sports and the drama. So I'm so excited and it's her debut, so I'm very excited to read that one.

00;46;08;20 - 00;46;14;07
Unknown
You came prepared, I was ready, I was like, I, Steph told me I have to make a list.

00;46;14;14 - 00;46;33;17
Unknown
Make it a list because I will not be like, I don't know, I read books, I don't read books, which happens to me every time someone asks me what I'm reading. I don't know, books. Those are confusing. Every time it's like the look of horror of like, what books have I read? Have I read a book? Do I ever read a book?

00;46;33;17 - 00;46;48;12
Unknown
What is a book? I do like when I sit down to write a book again and I'm like, I don't know how to do that. I've only written seven. I don't know how to do the. I know that whenever people ask like, how do I prepare for your interview? I'm like, this is literally the only thing you can prepare for with me.

00;46;48;12 - 00;46;49;22
Unknown
Everything else is just chaos.

00;46;49;27 - 00;46;53;08
Unknown
but we have a great chaotic time. We had a really fun conversation.

00;46;53;11 - 00;47;06;05
Unknown
Well, thank you for joining me on literary Hope to talk all about finding her edge game set match, wild card. You got a busy year, girl. I have a very busy. Well, I've a very busy six months and then I'm going to, like, collapse into dust by June.

00;47;06;05 - 00;47;14;08
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But it's fine. It's great. It's all good. Thank you so much for having me. I had a great time.

00;47;14;10 - 00;47;24;26
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Thanks to Jennifer for taking time out of her Christmas break to talk all about finding her edge game, set, match, wild card, and some other potential things coming up in her future.

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Plus, Jen and I were both under the weather. So to make this happen, even though neither of us could talk very well, was, a bit of a challenge, but we had fun doing it.

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If you want to check out any of Jen's books, the links to do so are down in the show notes, as well as where to find her on social media.

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